Avengers Vs. X-Men is here. And what better way to handle this than to have our resident Avengers fan (Geoff Arbuckle) and our resident X-Men fan (Victor Kutsenok) come together in a place of neutrality to talk about their favorite teams coming to blows over a cosmic power coming to Earth. Now, Round 3, also known as Avengers Vs X-Men #3.
Avengers Vs X-Men #3
Victor: So I just finished AvX #3 and all I have to say is that you must be a mind reader. You pegged it perfectly in our last review. The battle you predicted occurred and I really didn’t think it would happen this early. But we’ll discuss that fight, and the overall implications of it later. First impressions, this issue was a lot more plot driven and sets up a slew of possible fights in future issues. Also, even though the issue was not as emotionally charged as the past two, it was still a fairly good book. What did you think of it, Geoff?
Geoff: I agree, Victor. The book isn’t wham-bam action at a breakneck pace. It’s what Ed Brubaker does very well – it gives us something to build on and lays a foundation for the plot to really grab hold of. Also, leave it to Bru to give us a complex Captain America. It’s clear he’s got some stuff going on. Perhaps it’s the expectation that’s been placed on him to be the top dog. Maybe it’s frustration that the X-Men weren’t willing to “come along quietly”. Or it might just be trying to coordinate such a massive amount of Avengers, but he’s being uncharacteristically forceful with just about everyone. Overall, I’m glad for the shift in the story. We couldn’t expect 12 issues of all out action. We needed to stop, take a breath, and then sort out some actual plot to drive this thing. I’m glad they tapped Brubaker to do that.
Victor: I was hoping for 12 issues of action. That, to me, would be original and completely unexpected. As for Mr. Brubaker, to be honest, I am not a fan of his work. His Cap run was just too much for me to take in. I guess I’m more of a humor and slapsticks fan. Also love the action. The Cap/Wolvie fight, however brief, was action. I did find it funny that Mr. Super Soldier needed some Giant size backup to take down Wolverine. At least he was smart enough to know he couldn’t do it by himself. Also, in my opinion, he was wrong. Wolverine would have followed orders. He didn’t need to lose such a powerful and capable ally. Especially if he’s now a wild card in the search for Hope.
Geoff: That was certainly a misstep in Cap’s overall plan. He was smart enough to have Hank’s help, but not so smart enough to cast Wolverine out. It’s a relatively small scene, but one with definite repercussions to come. I’m betting we might be witnessing the end of Wolverine’s association with the Avengers. I will say, script wise, it was a good frame by frame fight between the two.
On the X-Men side, it looks like Scott’s getting some recruitment help from others. Now, Rachel Summers is one of Logan’s X-Men, right?
Victor: Rachel Summers is Scott and Jean Grey’s daughter from a desolate alternate future. Her code name is Phoenix and she has all of her mother’s powers. On top of that, she’s a mutant tracker and has been a host for the Phoenix. She is one of Wolverine’s teachers, but her loyalty has been and always will be with her father.
Cap definitely screwed up. He discarded a resource of utmost importance. Without Wolverine, he has lost the insight to the mind of Scott Summers that Logan could provide. He has also lost Cerebra, which is in Logan’s School, as a way to find Hope. Now he has to depend on Iron Man. Not a bad person to depend on, but not as useful as an actual device that can locate mutants.
On another note, how smart was Hope in rigging that device to mask her location? And how cool was it that Magik beat Dr. Strange?
Geoff: I did like Hope’s move. She’s not one to be underestimated for sure. In fact, that scene also served as the only part of the books art that I liked. I don’t think we need to go any further on JRJR’s art, but I actually had to check to make sure he did the art on the issue when I got to that scene.
I’m not as familiar with Magik as you likely are, so I was a tad bit surprised, but I can’t forget the predicament Doctor Strange is in. He’s no longer Sorcerer Supreme and he’s getting a little long in the tooth, so… Yeah, I wasn’t terribly surprised she got the drop on him.
Victor: Magik, in recent years has become extremely powerful, even reaching levels close to Dormammu. Dr. Strange stood no chance against her, especially in her place of power, Limbo.
Geoff: Getting back to Hope for a moment. What do you believe her endgame is? Do you think she truly wants to take the Phoenix’s power or do you think it is more of her just letting the call and the curiosity get to her?
Victor: Hope is in a no win situation. She is the Mutant Messiah, but no one has really explained to her what that means since no one really knows what it means. Other than being a power mimic, Hope has the ability to subconsciously control any newborn mutants she comes in contact with. She has no clue about the Phoenix, but being the student of Cable, I’m sure she is doing as much research as possible. Also, in the X-Men book, the computer intelligence known as Unit gave her some sort of secret crash course on the Phoenix. Hope has been trained by the best. She has been chased since birth. Now she’s the possible chosen host of the Phoenix. That’s a lot for anyone to handle, let alone a teenager. I feel for her.
My big question now is why the hell are the Avengers still going after Hope? They have no chance to contain her or stop the Phoenix force from using her as a host. Why waste the resources? The only way to stop her is to kill her and Logan is no longer available to do the dirty work. Also, why no Wanda this issue?
Geoff: Wanda will be coming. I just think her involvement is still lying in wait. After all, this is only a few hours later. I still think she’s either going to be the one who stops the Phoenix or will be the new host when it is all said and done. I would prefer her to not be the host because I’m of the opinion that they should just let the girl alone to be whatever she is going to be as Scarlet Witch, but, as we know too well, Marvel does like to play around a bit with their characters.
Victor: Yes they do. And sometimes not for the better. Still, someone will have to die/sacrifice themselves for the “event” and Wanda is as good a choice as any since she’s been gone for a while while Hope is a relatively new character. For me, I still want Jean Grey back. She would add such a dynamic to the X-Books. Especially in the Scott/Emma/Logan/Namor couples situation. Not to mention she’s always been a catalyst for great stories.
On a different topic, I know I didn’t respond to you earlier, so I will now. JRJR. Boooooooo!!!!!!! Too many lines. Not enough uniqueness. Good Spider Man, however. Nuff said.
Geoff: Ha. Well, I’m going to leave it at that I did like the solo scene with Hope. That was as good as it can get for me. Overall, I think I’ll give this book a solid 85. It had a good start with Scott’s ruse and a good finish with the fight between Cap and Wolverine. It lost a little bit of the big time action stuff, but what it dialed down there was in the interest for plot to move to the next showdown. How are you feeling about the issue in general?
Victor: In general, I enjoyed it. I knew it was a set-up right away since Emma was not in diamond form. I liked the plot movement and the nice set-up for future battles. I liked the Cap/Wolvie fight and his new x-factor status set-up. Art? What art? I will join you in the 85. I hope next issue we get back to the action and fanboy battles. I can’t wait to see the matchups that occur. Also, is next issue the last JRJR one? If so, I’ll be cheering all the way to the comic store.
Geoff: Yes. Olivier Coipel takes over with #5 and carries through #8. I believe Adam Kubert takes over with #9. So, visually, we should get a big bang to wrap up. I’ll be seeing you in two weeks, sir!
Victor: Can’t wait!
A COMIC BOOK BLOG RATING
|Good set up for the next stage of the story. Good battle between Cap and Wolverine, nice opening trick played by Cyclops, and some good Hope interlude.||Art, of course, is lacking. Despite getting good plot stuffs, we trade a little bit of the action away.|